Community report july 2014 to Arenanet

[Nekodesu]

I really envy your stubbornness in seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. But I do think you're going to get disappointed. I genuinely think if they shut GW down it wouldn't affect their GW2 population much at all. Those who continue to play GW2 do so because they like the game or feel it's worth waiting for in terms of getting better. I regularly play GW2, and my experience from the game is that those who didn't like it quit a long time ago, and almost all of them quit GW as well when it completely died after GW2 was released. From talking to many people on GW2 as well it's clear to me that those who are left genuinely like the game and don't care much for it's first and it doesn't seem they will any time soon. Even some of the really hardcore players(PvE'ers and PvP'ers do not come back to the first game even when it's their favourite thing having a week bonus). Seriously, I run a blog on tumblr as well and it's a minority there that play GW2 and actually care about GW. Everywhere I look it's only really people on Guru that seems very passionate still about GW, and even the majority there I dare say have come to terms with the fact that there will not be a GW1.5 and we wont see the epicness we saw in the first game in the second.

You can always hope but I stopped hoping when they automated the game.

[cosyfiep]

yes, I believe they gave us all the answers at that time as well.
Yes the 2 games have polarized many of the player base---there are few that like both (tons who like one or the other), I also agree that 2 would continue on quite well without the first being around---however----it would say something about the company (which many here already know), so, since it costs them very little (especially now) to keep it running, I see no reason for them to shut it down until it gets too raty (ahahahhha) to keep it afloat.

so I dont see them ever caring again about bots, rmt, syncing (much), etc...no updates (other than for emergencies--and then it might take a while if it doesnt affect 2)....so enjoy what we have /sad panda

[Ayuhmii Shanbwa]

neko, show me where you see the future (real future, not some fanbased stuff)

what i hear from MANY sides (NOT just on GW forums/sites), is that GW2 is becoming more boring already, cuz of the way they handle GW2

and they could make GW's fanbase alot happier.... and even bring people back to GW

i know they wont update, but IF they (finally) see the light, they would
reason they wont, is cuz as they are now, they arent very smart

i remember seeing alot of "i like GW alot more than other MMO's, cuz its not as basic as those" which GW2 is starting to become
GW2 is alot of grinding if you want some stuff, GW is grinding only if you want titles, and there's way more in GW than all other MMO's..... more ways of playing

GW2 is going that basic MMO way, so people will become bored after some time
after the hype (whats left of the hype) of GW2, they either return to GW, or stop coming to anet's stuff

i have seen people being hyped when GW2 was released, and for a year or longer, they defended the stuff in GW2 which i dont like, nowadays they say the same thing i said

so if anet ever would be smart, they'd see GW still has alot of potential
i bet that if they wanted, they could send a few to GW (not just 3 or 10.... more) and get more money out of it

i'm NOT saying anet will do so, i'm just saying that anet should see it..... if they can swallow their stupid pride

also, i'm NOT saying this cuz GW is the only MMO which can make me play longer than a few hours, i say this cuz i kinda see it that way

i have seen Gw2 forums (official), and heard they just deleted topics cuz it had something from GW in it, and banned some who only went against someone's post with their own opinion
then i have seen the old community we had, with their "the game is good as it is" and the "you dont know about game designing" while i'm more excperienced with parts of game designing than they are, as they have no idea how easy it can become if you keep doing it

anyway, that community back in GW2.... i doubt many people who had that sh** going on here (guru too, yes) on GW forums, want it again, so might quit discussing and either leave GW2 if they disagree with anet, or just play GW2 til they are tired of it (which happened plenty of times already, seen that in GW, and not all said "its too different from GW")

anyway, i dont say GW2 is going down anytime soon, but if they screw up GW more than the old anet ever has done with GW (which wasnt that bad if you look at how nice the game itself.... not the community, is these days, like 7 hero, zaishen quests etc), they might not exist as long as another 9 years

tbh, i've heard more complaints from GW2 players about GW2 (with updates, content... or not enough content, and cash shop and much more) than GW and GW2 players complained about other MMO's with grinding and cash shops, and being too basic MMO

anyway, most here say they wont do anything new in GW, but you cant see the future, and even official announcements can be changed, as anyone's mind can change.... or situation

[Nekodesu]

I'd like you to give me these pages, because I used to read on for example GW2Guru and they used to trash the game so much there, yet I did not notice any lack of players in the ACTUAL GAME.

You cannot base your opinion solely on just forum posts if you haven't even logged into the game they are talking about, because the thing is, those who trash a game aren't playing it they are whining about it on a forum, but those who like it are playing it and stay away from the forums. And by just logging in I can clearly see there's enough followers for this game not to actually be affected at all. Sure it is quite certain times of the day or in certain zones, but honestly I wouldn't base my opinion on that, because if you did you'd think everyone hates GW2, yet the game seems to be doing fairly well.

GW2 has some issues but it seems that many people aren't affected that much. The new Living Story people seem to be pretty happy about as well, myself included, it's pretty interesting.

Not sure what you mean where I see the future? GW has no future, that's the thing.

[Internetuser]

Originally Posted by Nekodesu

GW has no future, that's the thing.

this x1000

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[Ayuhmii Shanbwa]

i base my opinions on what i see
and GW has no future? maybe no future changes, it'll stay online long enough to say it has a future

but i guess you know more about games work in that way, even though i yet have to see your games

this negativity scares away people, and i'm talking about what happens in the future with GW
even if nothing happens with GW in the future, it DOES have a future, cuz then it stays as it is

people called GW dead right after many joined GW2 (of which many came back to GW, which i have SEEN in GW), yet anet did change some things, like no favor needed and some more stuff
some even called GW dead before GW2 got released.... makes no sense

"less active" does not equal "dead"

[Bristlebane]

Don't argue with them, nothing good can come out of it.
GW is running on smoothly, and while the official support is gone, there's still a player base, especially after you join a guild.

[cosyfiep]

we are still here, the world ended and we are still here (and playing)....the game is dead, and we are still playing....blahblahblah....and we are still here, playing.

[Bristlebane]

There's even an 'all you can eat' cookie bar in game, for those that can find it.
So don't give up on the game just yet.

[I ride my Pokemon]

Ok i'm going to barge here a little because I actually agree with Nekodesu and I understand his point of view so I'll try to smooth his saying in a way people actually find it less aggressive about the status Guild Wars is holding right now (inevitable truth that we can't get rid of)

It's not a matter of having a future or not. Guild Wars verily can't ( CAN'T, CAN'T - The word is "Can't" ) get any better.

There is no support for it whatsoever. No new content. Not even vigilance to keep the game bot and cheater free so newcomers don't feel abused and exploited.

No restore tools if any inconvenience happens.

Not even one (and I seriously mean - ONE - the prime number ) Developer/programmer is behind it. All of them were shifted to Guild Wars 2 development. What we are receiving now is nothing other than charity.

And most important other games always come up and eventually scatter people away. Like it or not and this is not a rule for Guild Wars but for all MMO's out there. Hell its a rule and a constant for all gamers for all I know.

And least but not last there is no foundation at all and Anet wants to keep it that way.They have insistently told us so in a variable form of ways. There is no way to deny that.

You can't hope a cow lives eternally if it's owner doesn't give any food. Eventually the cow will dry and will pass away. And that's what's Anet has been doing since 2012 leading us gently and without any rush to the exit door.

I agree that is annoying getting these negatives messages within the community itself (what is left from it) because we nurture so many feeling towards this game (hobby) which collides with our expectations of maintaining it forever since it gave us so many hours of enjoyment.

But that doesn't change the fact that Anet wants the game to die by starvation and there is nothing we can do against it. And here is the part that bitching about it won't help at all but things can't get any worse either.

Aside from that don't blame Nekodesu like he is the one that is speeding up the process of closure of Guild Wars. Blame ArenaNet itself.

Nekodesu has just passed the mourning phase and it's ahead of us. We will eventually get there.

[Bristlebane]

There is nothing new with what you just said. So what are we supposed to do with all this 'truth', just delete our characters and move on to another game?

We all have our opinions, but can please all those with the mantra 'GW is dead' please move on, because it's clearly for you that it's time to move on to other games. For the others that still play, despite knowing the game's day is past it's prime date and there's unlikely to ever be any more updates, we still enjoy the game. We can respact your doom and gloom, but then please move on and let those that play the game still do it.

[I ride my Pokemon]

Originally Posted by Bristlebane

There is nothing new with what you just said. So what are we supposed to do with all this 'truth', just delete our characters and move on to another game?

We all have our opinions, but can please all those with the mantra 'GW is dead' please move on, because it's clearly for you that it's time to move on to other games. For the others that still play, despite knowing the game's day is past it's prime date and there's unlikely to ever be any more updates, we still enjoy the game. We can respact your doom and gloom, but then please move on and let those that play the game still do it.

Like I said it's annoying I agree. It doesn't help, but at my point view doesn't harm either, because there is nothing that can't stop this process that wasn't initiated by the players to begin with (so blaming them like Ayuhmii Shanbwa is doing is just stupid - by far it's not them that will determine if the game is dead or not).

This constant battle of people denying the inevitable and existing state of affairs and people reassuring it is what it makes this whole thing "disgusting".

At the end of the day "both sides" should just enjoy the game while we can. But denying those facts is just too juvenile and wishful thinking.

[Bristlebane]

My question still remain. What are we supposed to do with all this doom and gloom, give up? Everything must come to an end, that's the truth. Earth will most likely be destroyed by the Sun in a few billion years, and universe might collapse in a Big Crunch from which there might be no espace, does that mean we should all then just give up and call it a day?
Because this is basically the same with GW or any other game, it will all reach a point in time where the game is past it's prime and eventually come to an end.

[I ride my Pokemon]

Originally Posted by Bristlebane

My question still remain. What are we supposed to do with all this doom and gloom, give up?

Originally Posted by I ride my Pokemon

Like I said it's annoying I agree. (...) At the end of the day "both sides" should just enjoy the game while we can. But denying those facts is just too juvenile and wishful thinking.

PS: I understand how frustrating this is. I love this game.Hell if I ever won the lottery I would for sure dedicate one or two millions (out of 100) so I could revamp it. So whenever I see people more pissed than I am, I cannot help but think that it must be real grievous for them.

[Bristlebane]

I too would do anything I could to keep the game alive.
Still working on a web app to more easily help people join up for missions and farms (even if it's too little, too late, I feel I have to try). If there ever was a privately developed server, I would love to help work out the client/server protocols. It wouldn't be GW, it wouldn't be compatible, it would more be a GW1.5 where it's heavily GW1 inspired but where we sadly had to start with new accounts.
But until any of that comes, I'll just keep enjoying the game.

[Ayuhmii Shanbwa]

i think doom and gloom DOES bad to GW, as newer players will be like: meh, nevermind that game then

also, GW still gives profit, heard that from many people (not just the ones who heard it from other players, but also some who have seen it..... wish i asked for that and saved it, so could show you now)
and if anet kills off GW, the GW2 community will also be hurt, and most will think "is GW2 going down like that, too? i dunno if i should keep playing GW2 then...."

you see, even though its another game, it:
1. has same name (except for the number)
2. is made by the same company
and 3. for those who know that GW's community is still alive, they will think "wait what??? many people still played it, yet they turn it off like that!!!!"

in other words, it WILL harm the rest of what anet does
and since internet is much easier to use, and much more open, they will even doubt the developers in the future (in case some of the devs will have future projects), so it might hurt all those devs
not as much as anet as company, but each dev behind it now might get hurt with future stuff they would join

its not 100% the way it works (dev nr 20 leaving a living game and getting hurt in other games cuz of it), but it does happen like that, just not as badly as anet would be hurt cuz of that

i know of people who disliked GW2, and werent in the mood for GW, so they left both, even though GW was still a nice game to them
and heard that happened more with others who i dont know

[cosyfiep]

I think we need to keep a positive attitude as well----I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer, she is not sitting around going 'oh woe is me, I have cancer, the end is near, I am going to die soon---' no, she is living her life to the highest degree with the time she has left (since NONE of us know WHEN that date will be for us or gw!).

We should enjoy the time we have left and stop the doom and gloom (we all know it, please, there is no elephant in this room). We know the stance of the company that currently has sway over it (they are not the same people who created it). No need to continue to beat the corpse of the horse.

We are still here, WE are still playing (heck I even made a new character last week), I for one am still going to enjoy playing the game until the company turns it off.

[Nekodesu]

What you do is you accept that the game has no future in the sense that it will not be updated or cared for any more. I think there's a difference of being in denial than being positive. I think you can only be positive once you accept the inevitable(that the game is what it is, and it will not see any updates for the rest of its time).

I love Guild Wars, but it's like I Ride My Pokemon said(and gracefully put all my opinions into a non-aggressive post(thank you!)), I am past the mourning and I have understood that there is no future for the game.

Does that stop me from enjoying Guild wars? No. I still play, actually just did the ZM on all my PvE characters Also I am gonna try to get into GvG again, and still waiting for AB week!

Also I don't think cancer and a game is comparable. Although I understand your feelings!

If your question is what is there to do with this doom and gloom, then what is there to do with being in denial? What good comes out of that? You might as well enjoy the game while NOT being in denial and hyping yourself up about a miracle so that when they do shut the game down(which I don't think they will do in the nearest future) your world wont come crashing down. That's what it did for me when GW2 came out and that's why I let go of the idea that somehow, a developer is going to see the light and suddenly reincarnate GW into it's prime time.

[Bristlebane]

There's no denial here, I don't see anyone arguing against that the game might never be updated again. Good? Good.
Now let's play the game we enjoy despite all that until the server is shut down.
And for those that feel it's pointless, just move on.

[cosyfiep]

no denial here--I understand that all good things come to an end (some sooner than others --and the reason for my cancer analogy.).
I just want folks to stop with the gw is dead---we all know this already, no need to rererrereeererereererepeat it, it will end, we know this too, we just want to enjoy the time it has left to its fullest (and we want some hope too---cant blame folks for wanting wishes).

got my new ranger to level 10 and working on finishing the starter island of nf with them!